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marto78
22-02-2010, 08:15 PM
Just thought I would start this thread to see what people think are good suncreams and which ones to stay away from. I have never realy given it to much thought just using whatever was in the boat.
But the other week we forgot to buy any before hand and ended up buying a cheap coles brand one (which was meant to be 30+)from the servo on the way to the boat ramp. We used it for 2 days and apart from having to put it on every 1and a1/2 to 2hrs (which is a pain) we all ended up with a sweat pimpley rash across our shoulders and face. :-[
If anyone else has suffered anything similar or have got a particular brand that they swear on I would be interested to hear.
Cheers Marto:)

Dan5
22-02-2010, 08:58 PM
Hamilton is a good one,it's hard to wash of even in the shower after fishing.....also the Cancer Council one works good

Dan

Leighton
22-02-2010, 09:00 PM
anything but Banana Boat, no banana's on my boat
I use TropiCare

BR65
22-02-2010, 09:11 PM
anything but Banana Boat, no banana's on my boat
I use TropiCare

I prefer the Banana Boat, hangs in there thru rain and sweaty days, doesnt run into your eyes and sting, good stuff

Jackinthebox
22-02-2010, 09:25 PM
Hamilton is a good one,it's hard to wash of even in the shower after fishing.....also the Cancer Council one works good

Dan


I'll second the Hamilton stuff. I used to use it welding because unlike all the other 30+ sunscreens out there, it's about the only one that blocks UVC rays in addition to the standard UVA and UVB protection.

As Dan5 said, it sticks very well and is hard to wash off without being too greasy.

Mick.

sleepygreg
22-02-2010, 09:57 PM
I wish the old Blockout was still available...it was an alcohol based one, that dried soon after application, want greasy at all, and worked brilliantly. Used to use it for both fishing and cricket, and it never let me down. I cant stand greasy creams...which is why i cover up as much as i can...so i only have to cream my neck and face..and backs of hands. Still havent found one i like....closest is the le tan 30+ gel....but even that is hard to come by and exxy (though i dont mind paying for the good stuff).

Greg

spelchek
22-02-2010, 10:16 PM
Plain old bronze zinc for my face. The rest of me gets covered in sunsafe clothes.

NEWBY
23-02-2010, 06:48 AM
Banana Boat spray on .....Use the fine mist.... Nothing on your hands...Its all I use and even though its "Banana" I always get a good feed of fish....

bluefin59
23-02-2010, 07:06 AM
We use invisible zinc it has no chemical sun filters last 4 hr and protects from uva and uvb rays and has no titanium dioxide in it ...matt

NAGG
23-02-2010, 07:46 AM
I prefer the Banana Boat, hangs in there thru rain and sweaty days, doesnt run into your eyes and sting, good stuff

I'm with Brian ....... Banana Boat (sport) - its thick to apply & stays on for hours ..... best I've used & worth every cent

Chris

Peter4
23-02-2010, 08:00 AM
We use invisible zinc it has no chemical sun filters last 4 hr and protects from uva and uvb rays and has no titanium dioxide in it ...matt

I agree with Matt - clear/invisible zinc - only available from chemists - is tops. Plus all the techo stuff he mentioned...;D

BaitThrower
23-02-2010, 09:25 AM
We often use the Auscreen brand from Big W... its a cheaper one but does ok... HOWEVER, on the boat and in really hot weather it does melt away too quickly requiring frequent application... I too think Hamilton is one of the best out there... thick and a bit more difficult to apply but only have to reapply every 4 hours in really hot weather, as opposed to every 1 hr.

4x4frog
23-02-2010, 10:09 AM
When a good friend of mine used to go to Cairns and Lizard Island back in the mid-80s they were using Hamiltons then. It's the one I'd buy first every time for fishing.

cajunnsw
23-02-2010, 12:38 PM
The EGO products, especially the Sport Milk is easy to apply and very effective. I have very fair skin, and have found this stuff to be the best, followed by the Cancer Council. I haven't tried the Hamilton product.

Barry Ehsman
23-02-2010, 05:14 PM
I suffer from skin cancers & have to go a specialist every 6 months to have them burnt or cut out & he advises me to use Hamiltons..

Cheers Baz

charleville
24-02-2010, 12:37 PM
A year or two ago, I went into my local IGA store and saw identical tubes of SPF 30+ sunscreen sitting on the shelves with identical active ingredients marked on the tubes.

One brand was the Cancer Council brand and some enormous price and the other was the Black & Gold brand at about 1/3 of the Cancer Council brand price.

So I bought the Black & Gold product and have continued to buy it with no regrets.

However, prior to that, I also had the aggressive Efudex treatment on my face which everyone over a certain age with any sun exposure seems to get done these days and so I am very conscious of minimising my exposure to the sun. Accordingly, when out in the boat, I also wear a generous layer of zinc cream on my face and lots of protective clothing such as a Frillneck hat, long sleeves and gloves (when I can find them big enough to fit my hands.)

As a retiree, apart from fishing I also spend a lot of time in and out of the sun at home and I usually slap on some of the cheap sunscreen on most days on my face with no resulting issues such as rashs etc. Apart from the Black and Gold brand in tubes , I also used the generic brands from Coles and Woolies in their large push-pump containers. No issues with either brand.

I emphasize, though that the sunscreen is not my primary protection. Big broad-brimmed hats sit at the ready at every entrance in my home. I would not spend as much as two minutes in the raw sun without a hat, these days.


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Crunchy
24-02-2010, 04:24 PM
We use invisible zinc it has no chemical sun filters last 4 hr and protects from uva and uvb rays and has no titanium dioxide in it ...matt

No chemical filters is good but invisable zinc = nano particles, the jury is still out on the safety of nano particles - do some web research. Titanium dioxide should be OK, its a natural product (It can be found as a colouring in foods) and provides a pysical barrier but is not effective against the full UVA spectrum. I steer away from anything containing oxybenzone's and cinnamate's as a pedo..peadetri...peadotis...ummm kid doctor told me not to use it on my kids....zinc oxide (Non nano partical) is the best option as its broad spectrum and natural.....sure it looks silly but safest option in the long run apparently. Prolly not a worry for us old farts but for the kids at least...chemical suncreams might be the new smoking one day.

marto78
24-02-2010, 07:52 PM
I've used bannana boat for and liked the fact that you didnt have to reapply every hr or so, but after hearing everyones thoughts on this hamilton suncream (never heard of it before today) I'll be off to the chemist to grab a tube before the next trip.
Cheers Marto:)

Dodge41
28-02-2010, 10:27 PM
One brand was the Cancer Council brand and some enormous price and the other was the Black & Gold brand at about 1/3 of the Cancer Council brand price.

So I bought the Black & Gold product and have continued to buy it with no regrets.

I usually slap on some of the cheap sunscreen on most days on my face with no resulting issues such as rashs etc. Apart from the Black and Gold brand in tubes , I also used the generic brands from Coles and Woolies in their large push-pump containers. No issues with either brand.


I have had a lot of skin cancers removed all being damage started 50 years ago.

And after asking 2 different skin specialists about their sunscreen recommendations, both said forget the brand name and buy purely by the SPF number which is the standard, and also apply the screen regularly.

samsnap
01-03-2010, 02:30 PM
I'v worked for the top Dermo/Skin Cancer Specilists in Brisbane and they recommend Ego products and the SunSence range of sunscreens (they are up to SPF 100 rated but due to our rules they can't advertise over 30 SPF on them - stupid I know). Life Changing that job was - Charlie if you have had Efudex - I have probably met you (sorry to say - nasty stuff :( ) COVER UP - LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST - JUST DON'T GET BURNT PLEASE - AND MAKE SURE THE SAME FOR YOUR CREW AND FAMILY ITS THAT SIMPLE :) End of sermon Sammy xx

Bros
01-03-2010, 03:09 PM
I've had some terrible reaction to some sunscreens so much so that I have had to go to the doctor for treatment. I found Hamiltons a good cream but a bit exy. I ended up using the bulk stuff from Big W as I found that to give me no reaction.

If you decide on some put it in a patch on your arm and go in the sun for a while and see if you get a reaction.

I was out fishing once and came across a couple of people in a tinnie and one of them look they came from a traditional muslum country as they were covered from head to toe with the machine gun slit for the eyes.

charleville
01-03-2010, 04:41 PM
I'v worked for the top Dermo/Skin Cancer Specilists in Brisbane and they recommend Ego products and the SunSence range of sunscreens (they are up to SPF 100 rated but due to our rules they can't advertise over 30 SPF on them - stupid I know).

That is really dumb if they cannot be advertised at that rating. Any particular reason that you are aware of? eg, Are they inconsistent in their rating above 30+ SPF?

This is just the info that we need on this site. I know that we are supposed to reapply the stuff after two hours but it just does not happen so the stronger the protection whilst on the water, the better.




I was out fishing once and came across a couple of people in a tinnie and one of them look they came from a traditional muslim country as they were covered from head to toe with the machine gun slit for the eyes.


I have always reckoned that I have never met a man who I did not learn something from. I think that we have much to learn in our climate from the people who dress in the traditional Arab way. Wearing loose clothes which cover up most of the body sounds pretty sensible to me as a fair-skinned kid who comes from the far west and now spends much time on the water.


Even more so at Mud Island just to keep out the bloody mosquitoes and March flies! :D

I actually wear my Adaptacap/Frillneck caps at night there to keep the mossies away from the back of my head and neck.



Charlie if you have had Efudex - I have probably met you (sorry to say - nasty stuff :( )


My Efudex treatment was precautionary because I was concerned at the extent of the sun spots on my face and yes, in my case, it was sure aggressive and very painful but I am very pleased that I had it done.

Halfway through the treatment, the doctor told me that after that treatment, I would have the face of a 12 year old kid.

"Great!" I said. "Can we make him a skinny kid?"

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Grand_Marlin
01-03-2010, 08:05 PM
Another question...

Do sunscreens go off, or at least lose their effectiveness over time?

Cheers

Pete

sleepygreg
01-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Pete, you will find they all have a use by date on the container. When I had the tackle shop, I used to stock the Le Tan range. When I closed the shop, I had a number of containers of the 30+ left so i decided to keep them for my personal use. These last a few years until I looked at the expiry dates, and most of the ones i had left were past that date...I rang the company concerned, and they said its best not to use them as the active ingredients will lesten in effectiveness over time ( I really didnt expect them to say anything else). I elected not to use them if they were more than 6 months out of date. These days i dont have to worry about use by dates, as I use that much of the stuff it never gets that far (though I have a 'grab bag' for each form of fishing I do, and each one of them has a container of sunscreen and a container of insect repellent in it - so i do check the use bys in case i havent done that fishing for a while).

Greg

Bear001
02-03-2010, 06:50 AM
I cake the thick zinc on my face like crusty the clown;D , then hamilton on the rest.

If not too windy then wear the wide brimmed hat, and always the long sleeve shirt.

I am naturally olive in complexion, but getting older and wiser....

Once though, I nearly put on the lure scent as zinc cream....OOOOOOPS...lmao:o :P :-[ ;D::)

Cind

The Hamilton Lip Eze stuff is the best around IMO too.

Grand_Marlin
02-03-2010, 08:36 AM
Thanks Greg,

I knew they had a use by date, but didn't know if their effectiveness was compromised.

The reason I asked is, my Wife grabbed an old (read very old) tube from the workshop last weekend before being outside.
It acted like putting baby oil on ... it actually made her burn to the point of light blistering within an hour.

Cheers

Pete

honda900
02-03-2010, 08:47 AM
Pete,

thats a good point, what about sunscreen stored in in your boat, subjected to temperature and humidity changes, would that affect the effectiveness of the sunscreen? even if it is within the use by date range.

Regards
HOnda.

Bros
02-03-2010, 03:48 PM
Whatever you end up doing do something weather it be covering up or use sunscreen as I am now suffering from many many years without hat, shirt and sunscreen.

samsnap
03-03-2010, 09:29 AM
ok low down -
Yes Suncreams do expire & you are best to keep them out of direct heat.
It is also very improtant to remember the "forgotten bits" on the face" The inside of the ears, around the back of the ears, the tops of the ears (just smother ya ears!!) also the bridge of your nose and the sides of it where the tear ducts are (careful not to get cream in your eyes!) where your sunnies sit (and rub off the cream!!) and where the wings of the sunnies touch your cheeks near your ears - and your lips (purchase a specific LIP suncream for this as Cindy smartly added :) ) also the delicate under brow/eye area (I dont know how to protect this area other than good sunnies that are large)it is very important to reapply more often to these areas - due to the high rub off extent - believe me they are the highest danger areas - we hacked away at sadly. The cancer council website is brilliant!!!! Take a look - it has lots of good cover up ideas - nose covers- side wings for your sunnies, frill neck hats, big sunnies, creams, shirts etc.
Don't be fooled by the old Complexion Chestnut - UV rays will still get ya!!
Charlie - Unfortunately its a decision by the Aust Drug Authority to not put anything above 30+ on the tubes -I Think it is due to most if them are made overseas from many different countries & many different rating scales.It would be too hard to regulate to one scale is suppose. The only reason I know SunSense is so high is I know the Reps & they know the Product. I too have "Convict :)" skin and sinder in 5 sec flat - I swear by SunSence and Hamilton and the "terrorist fashion look"
Hope this Helps
Sammy

samsnap
03-03-2010, 09:48 AM
Opps - forgot the backs of your hands, feet/tootsies & neck and the bottom of your nose (the creasey fold bit where it joins your face). oh yeah and don't forget the solar panels for those who are equipped with them - who have hats with those little air holes in them (trust me after years of extended exposure YOU WILL BE SORRY!) bet you never thought of that did ya :) These are all simple but easily forgotten and on the top 10 excission list with the ones mentioned above.
Sammy xx

sleepygreg
03-03-2010, 08:26 PM
Agree totaly with the sneaky hat one. Thought I was being very clever when I needed a new hat and bought one with the mesh inserts......wore it once and couldnt figure out how my scone got burnt, took me about 30 secs after the event to have the answer. Now its back to the solid panel hats and Arafats on really windy days/low sun times. Check my Avatar and you will see my usual fishing garb. Wish i could find a similar hat to the one im wearing in that pic....it was marketed by Shimano some years ago....was relatively light weight, extra broad brim, easy to clean.....and finally fell apart 18 months ago ( not bad after a 12 year flogging). I too have the battle scars from too many years of fishing and cricket without taking ALL the precautions. (most of that up to the age of 25 before began the FULL cover up....but the damage had already been done). About to have another one on the back of my hand checked....looks like it might be a SCC. I hate them ones...usually results in a large chunk of meat being cut out.

Greg

Leighton
03-03-2010, 08:56 PM
Sleepy have you seen the Columbia Omni Shade Hats, I think they are 50 or 30+ rated. Light weight, a chin strap and an adjustable band around the head if the wind is up.
I like them as they are light weight and seem to be a cooler hat then other material hats. Similar material to Columbia shirts and no dramas putting it through the wash
I got mine at BCF

samsnap
04-03-2010, 11:05 AM
Even the "workwear" shops stock good sun hats
Sam

RobSee
10-03-2010, 08:33 PM
We sourced Sunzapper sunscreen for the Flathead Classic in 2009. The feed back we got from the punters was that it was the best sunscreen they had ever tried and they wanted to know where they could get more.

They will have to come and fish the event in 2010 ... :)

Dignity
11-03-2010, 08:10 PM
I don't like any of the creams on my face as they and diesel fumes will set of the mel de mer for me, the gel type, I think Banana Boat is the last one to make it or the current crop of spray type will do although I found with the spray jobs you have to apply very regularily and they smell a little like insect repellant. Most cream types seem to make me very hot. Also the creams have a habit of getting into my eyes when I sweat and it is a real bugger then.

I wear gloves and long sleeve shirts and those Arafat hats mostly, feet do get burnt occassionaly as I often forget to put anything on them.

Yes the sunscreens do expire and will burn you quicker the older they are, I throw thenm out once a year if they are in my boat.

SPF 100 - not that much better I believe than SPF30, it's some weird scale they use, once you get over SPF15 the higher numbers means incrementally less (the opposite to the richter scale used for earthquakes) and by the time you get to 100 they mean bugger all, I researched it once many years ago and that is why they don't bother to advertise it generally.

At work all our field staff are issued with Hamiltons, not sure they are the best as my wife swears by other brands but then again I don't use anything she buys.

SgBFish
13-03-2010, 08:19 PM
I have been using Sunsence Ultra for the kids for years but it tends to run into their eyes. Recently i switched to Hamilton Ultrablock. It is much thicker and is very impressive.

I still use the humble zinc on my nose and lips and its still great. Except it ends up on the sunnies.

ThePinkPanther
14-03-2010, 07:31 AM
Banana Boat is a top product but as they have so many different creams, it is a bit hard to get the right one.

Overseas - ex Oz - you can get a Banana Boat SPF 50+ that goes on like silastic, feels pretty horrible but will prevent even the slightest sign of sunburn.

For some reason, the Oz Health Authorities don't like the 50+ and have banned it??

As already said, HAMILTONS is tops as is SUN SENSE.

You also can't go past the new COLES 30+ SPF that comes in a great leakproof bottle and has a spray nozzle that works extremely well.

I have used this latter product all summer and never burnt once.