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goona
06-01-2010, 08:45 AM
Hi All,

In a bit of a dilemma with regards to weight of a 7.4 Noble super vee on the trailer. Got my trailer rego sticker and it states the ATM is 3700kgs however the previous rego sticker states 2960kgs. Now the interesting part, at 3700kgs I need to get a road worthy every year of which I do not wish to do as this costs $ unnecessarily seeing as though I can only legally tow 3500kg behind my Patrol. Does any one the all up weight of Boat motor and trailer Motor being a 225 Honda and trailer being a Mackay.
Thanks for your feed back

rowanda
06-01-2010, 08:49 AM
take it to a weighbridge, get the proper weight and then take to transport authority. Thats the only way to do it properly.
I wouldn't think it would weigh 3700kg, but you never know

bennyboy
06-01-2010, 08:59 AM
Goona, the rego goes off the ATM stamped on the VIN plate on the trailer. You may be able to go to the trailer manufacturer and ask for a lower ATM to be stamped on it. It just depends on if they will do it.

If your ATM is 3700 but you can only tow 3500 behind the car you are towing an unroadworthy set up. The tow capacity of the vehicle must equal or exceede the ATM on the trailer. If you got a nasty inspector they could book you for it.

We sell boats that weigh 2800 max load and on a trailer that usually has an ATM of 3700. We specify for the manufacturer to get a lower ATM stamped on the VIN plate of the trailer so it is legal to tow on the customers vehicle.

boatboy50
06-01-2010, 09:21 AM
BB,

I don't believe that is the case. Running things your way means a Landcruiser couldn't even tow an empty trailer which is rated at 3700kg, because it is only rated at 3500kg, even though the load only weighs around 700kg (trailer)

No opfficer can book you unless you are actually exceeding the weight of your tow vehicle. So if your towing a 3.2T boat with a Landcruiser on a 3700kg trailer, it is still legal.

A court would laugh at an officer who wrote such a ticket, because nothing is actually illegal.

Darren

hakuna
06-01-2010, 12:59 PM
Yes boatboy is correct, have been through the exersise with mine. At the time you are pulled over and weighed you have to be under the cars towing capacity.

I would have thought the v depending if you have water tank and size of fuel tank would be pushing 3t + if you do not have a hard top.

Mine goldstar excalabur 6.8m hard top, gear, 400lt fuel and 120 lt water on alum trailer 3.1tonne

I put it over the weigh bridge, free if you do not want a certificate, about $25 if you want one (logan)

cheers

wrxhoon
06-01-2010, 01:11 PM
Goona,

I don't know the weight of your boat and trailer, its best to put her on a weighbridge . You can get some info from the boat makers and work it out roughly boat, motor, fuel water , gear etc.+ the trailer tareweight.

Is legal to tow a trailer with a total weight under 3500 kg with your Patrol it doen't matter if the trailer GVM is over as long as you are under . You must be under the Patrols GCM as well.

TCSunCoast
06-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Goona,


Not sure where you are but there is a public ramp in the Caboolture industrial estate off aerodrome rd. Transport Dept is in the same street.

Pack a lunch (you'll need it) and get all your problems solved in one street.

Tony

FNQCairns
06-01-2010, 10:23 PM
How can they change it in such an abstract way?? What does your vin say???

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't this extra rating place you in the forced position of spending $1500+ on specialised braking equipment for it to remain a legal on the road boat trailer even if no boat is ever towed. Although you may very well need at least a portion this extra rating.......

cheers fnq

bennyboy
07-01-2010, 01:35 PM
BB,

I don't believe that is the case. Running things your way means a Landcruiser couldn't even tow an empty trailer which is rated at 3700kg, because it is only rated at 3500kg, even though the load only weighs around 700kg (trailer)

No opfficer can book you unless you are actually exceeding the weight of your tow vehicle. So if your towing a 3.2T boat with a Landcruiser on a 3700kg trailer, it is still legal.

A court would laugh at an officer who wrote such a ticket, because nothing is actually illegal.

Darren

Call the department of transport and find out for yourself. Belive me I wouldn't have wasted hours of my time checking this out and getting amended vin plates if it wasn't required.

The Tow capacity of the vehicle must equal or exceede the ATM of the vehicle being towed.

Don't belive me? spend 2 hours of your time on the phone to the department of transport and when you finally get to the person you need to speak to they will give you the answer. The 6 people you speak to before this person wouldn't have a clue

boatboy50
07-01-2010, 08:11 PM
Hey BB,

I've dealt with Qld Transport countless times, and I too know how easy it is to be told one thing by a line staff, and another thing by the guy next to him, and another thing when you ask to speak to their manager.

It is not illegal to tow an empty big trailer, rated at 3700kg with your Patrol, as long as it's actual weight is under 3500kg. Spend hours searching your way if you wish, because nowhere will you find what you are saying documented, and no man in blue would fine you for it. They must prove that your rig is overweight beyond doubt, that's why they take portable scales to a Qld Transport sting, or a trucking weighbridge, because it must be proven.

Have a look at my picture to the left. I towed that boat legaly behind a Navara, even though the ATM on the trailer was 4499kg. The rig only weighed just under 3T in light trim. I've researched it thoroughly too, but i'm happy for you to prove me wrong and show me where it's documented on the web, as if it's law, it will be available in PDF form.

I'm happy to agree to disagree with you if we need to.

Darren

goona
07-01-2010, 10:29 PM
Hi guys,

I have done some further research and have found that the trailer can no way be rated to the 3700kg as per the compliance plate due to the 3500kg tow hitch. With this being said my approach is, I have contacted MacKay trailers (On Hols) but ill be requesting a new compliance plate. The Model trailer I have is rated to 3500kg so hopefully this will do the trick. With regards to what you can tow my Patrol clearly states it can tow 50kg so I will be going with that.

Thanks for all you replies.

Goona

Chimo
08-01-2010, 06:50 AM
Hi Goona

As a fellow Patrol owner I'm interested to know what model you have......as you said............

"my Patrol clearly states it can tow 50kg so I will be going with that"

Cheers
Chimo

PS I presume you mis-hit a key or two?

goona
08-01-2010, 07:33 AM
Hey Chimmo,

Sorry mate one to many beers by the looks 4.2 Turbo which can tow 3500kg

Goona

goona
09-01-2010, 04:53 PM
It got the better of me so I took the whole rig to the Local dump weigh bridge. With 100lt of fuel in it she tipped the scales at 2.76T. So the next step is to get the original manufacturer to provide me with a GVM of 3500kg as per their current specs.

Thanks to all for your help.

Goona