Anchor chain to rope connection

[Ramjam]

Hi, I know to use a D-shackle to connect the anchor chain to the rope, but is there a quick release clip that could be used instead? I would like to store the rope under my back to back seat and put the anchor and chain elsewhere out of the way but not having to undo the shackle every time. Thanks.

[Mtx]

would a stainless D Clip type setup work?
not sure if that is the name but the clip used by people who do rock climbing and ab sailing etc.

[Noelm]

most of those clip types of things may not be strong enough when the going gets tough, if you got one big enough, you may be in luck though.

[coucho]

why not just undo the shackle? Sorry jumped in with reading the whole post there but if the shackle is not being overtightened and you don't need a tool to undo it (you shouldn't) then its not much better off then the shackle.

[Chine]

Splice a thimble into the eye of your anchor line and attach chain using a stainless steel "D" shackle with captive pin.

[honda900]

You thinking something along the lines of a carabina, used for climbing?

Regards
Honda

[Taroona]

Go to a Chandlery and ask for a "snap shackle"

[cormorant]

you need something that can't be tripped accident by underwater objects or pulling motion. It has to take the shock load as well as constant load and still be serviceable. . I have seen heaps of shackle pins unscrew on anchor chains that have not been peened or tied off with wire.

The only thing that I could suggest if you could find one that would accept the load and salt water immersion is the yachting or firebrigade 2 stage safety harness clips. Scaffold workers and roofers also use them but not all in stainless. .The buggers are hard enough to get undone and the 2 stage means it won't be accidental but they are basically designed for a 150kg person not a 1500kilo boat but check there ratings.

Corm.

[Taroona]

you need something that can't be tripped accident by underwater objects or pulling motion. It has to take the shock load as well as constant load and still be serviceable. . I have seen heaps of shackle pins unscrew on anchor chains that have not been peened or tied off with wire.

The only thing that I could suggest if you could find one that would accept the load and salt water immersion is the yachting or firebrigade 2 stage safety harness clips. Scaffold workers and roofers also use them but not all in stainless. .The buggers are hard enough to get undone and the 2 stage means it won't be accidental but they are basically designed for a 150kg person not a 1500kilo boat but check there ratings.

Corm.

The safety hook is called a wichard double action safety hook and is designed to support a person only, where as a 16mm snap shackle will hold 500kg's and a stanless d shacle of the same size will hold 1600Kg

[cormorant]

The snaps may be rated for the weight but how do you stop them tripping? We use them on all out spinacker work but that relies on nothing tripping them as we have had releases of the cheaper pull pin ones on the forestay.

The very expensive ones that have a spindle rod (fid) release are better but then you need to keep a spindle about.

At least they are lower profile and shouldn't get caught as much on the bottom unlike the whichard double release.

Riggers ( crane) and lifting specialist places may have something that is rated and won't release that they use for crane lifting work?and

[Taroona]

The snaps may be rated for the weight but how do you stop them tripping? We use them on all out spinacker work but that relies on nothing tripping them as we have had releases of the cheaper pull pin ones on the forestay.

The very expensive ones that have a spindle rod (fid) release are better but then you need to keep a spindle about.

At least they are lower profile and shouldn't get caught as much on the bottom unlike the whichard double release.

Riggers ( crane) and lifting specialist places may have something that is rated and won't release that they use for crane lifting work?and

Personally I wouldn't use any thing other than a d shackle with the pin wired in place. and yes I've lost a spinnaker with a snap hook as well.

But my belief is that a wichard hook is for use on safety lines and harness's only altough they are rated with a high working load

[cormorant]

I agree about the whitchard safety harness hooks but have seen other ones on crane rigging gear that may be rated higher.

Was only pointing them out as they require 2 movements to release.

I I use peened or wired shackles as well and spare stainless wire on board and side cutters if I want to change anchors and couldn't be bothered getting the other spare one out. It has reef on one end of the rope and a manson plow on the other with a couple of stainless tie off rings over the rope so you can tie it off in the anchor well. You just have to make sure you have the coil of rope over the right way before dropping whichever anchor you want. It is bulky and heavy with 2 lots of chain but you don't have mess with redoing shackles etc in a swell. We did that as we couldn't justify room for yet another 150m of rope on board

[rando]

Spinnaker snap shackle will do the job , one big enough for a kite for a 45-50 footer.
Having said that , if the snap pin does get accidentally tripped, bye bye anchor.
You would have to put a sleeve of some kind over the release pin so it couldn't trip by accident.
One advantage of the snap shackle is they have a built in HD swivel.
I have not seen a wichard , I guess they would swivel too.

[Ramjam]

Hi guys, thanks for your replies and your positive input. I will have a look at the clips as suggested and see how I go! Once again- thanks.;)

[Shanoss]

Think you will find that most Karabiners are rated in Newtons. And they are for shock loading, not sustained force. Plus they are in no way designed for underater usage. Unless of course you were able to get onto a brand that supplys SCUBA divers.

[Wayne_Red]

Ramjam
I have been using a stainless clip on the end of my anchor chain for years so I can unclip the anchor for storage or swap from reef to sand anchor. I havn't had one come off and loose an anchor yet. Takes the weight of pulling off a stuck anchor OK. Works for me just fine. My boat is a 15' glass boat, a mate does the same on his 20 glass boat. @$10 at bias or any marine shop. Just because you boat might weigh 1000kg, doesn't mean it take 1000kg to hold it at anchor or your motor has a 1000kg of thrust. My clip is @8mm diameter.
Hope it helps. Regards wayne

[Ramjam]

Hi Wayne, thanks for the info, do you have a description or do I just ask for a stainless clip? Thanks, Greg.

[Wayne_Red]

Hi Greg, The one I use is about 75mm long. Get one with an enclosed eye as shown. They cost @10-15 $. Use a D shakle between the clip and your anchor chain.
If you are anchoring in 20 of water or more get your self one of the ezy lift clips for retrieving you anchor. @$25 for the clip alone or @$70 for the clip/buoy/rope. Do a google on ezy lift clip. Great things, a must for all outside boats IMO
Regards Wayne