Are DI 2-strokes just a passing fad?

[chop duster]

Can you really pollish a TURD?

[Wahoo]

Can you really pollish a TURD?

LOL C/D, the title is funny as;D YES they are a passing FAD


Daz

[Jabba_]

Apparently you can pollish a turd. They call it a chop duster

[Blackened]

Apparently you can pollish a turd. They call it a chop duster


;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

Well done jabba

[Greg P]

They are a FAD alright but they dont attract fish ;D;D;D

[Wahoo]

found this on an E -Tec site;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

. turd polisher http://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29) 13 up, 2 down http://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29)
A turd polisher is someone who trys to fix or improve somthing that is beyond help and definatly not worth fixing.

[disorderly]

Sheesh...at least try and come up with something originalhttp://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/tongue.gif.
But then again thats the charm of the four stroke...a johnny com lately that makes all kind of wild claims to try and compete with the two stroke.....sometimes fools like you even believe it.http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/wink.gifhttp://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/grin.gif

[disorderly]

Strange isn't it...as I mentioned in the 4 stroke thread as soon as some real figures and comparisons are posted, the 4 strokers try to either deny or misdirect.http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/wink.gif

It's funny that,isn't ithttp://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/rolleyes.gif

[chop duster]

disorderly,
so tell me, did 'johny' just come by after producing his latest E-tec promotional DVD ?

[chop duster]

after all an E-tec is just a glorified peice of FICHT !

[leezor]

after all an E-tec is just a glorified peice of FICHT !


Geez mate, thems fighting words amongst the E-Tec boys :-X

[Hamish73]

Passing FAD, well if you belting along in your overweight underpowered 4 stroke you may well get PASSED by a DI of smaller capacity ;D

[Homer_Jay]

after all an E-tec is just a glorified peice of FICHT !







;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thats funny

[finding_time]

Passing FAD, well if you belting along in your overweight underpowered 4 stroke you may well get PASSED by a DI of smaller capacity ;D

Now dont you think boat speed over the water depends on what Hull the motor is on rather than the motor !!! Or do you Hamish73 live in boating utopia where the ocean is always glass and flat and the hull has nothing to do with speed!! Some people on this site who go on about boat speed and hullshot really should take there hand off it!

Ian

[Jabba_]

after all an E-tec is just a glorified peice of FICHT !
but the 4st is a glorified Datsan Sunny motor..... Where's the differance between the 2's & 4's apart from the extra 100 pounds and sluggish performance...

[Hamish73]

Now dont you think boat speed over the water depends on what Hull the motor is on rather than the motor !!! Or do you Hamish73 live in boating utopia where the ocean is always glass and flat and the hull has nothing to do with speed!! Some people on this site who go on about boat speed and hullshot really should take there hand off it!

Ian

Ian, I thought it was plainly obvious that I was taking the piss, but you dont seem to have cottoned on to the fact so i'll spell it out for you. Not every post is deadly serious, especially when followed by emotions such as ;D, ;)or ::)
ANyway, WTF has this thread go to do with the hull, I'm pretty sure it was an engine thread :-/

[Noelm]

geees sounds to me like chop duster has an inferiority complex or something, going by his last two topics,just because you own a mono hull AND a 4 stroke is no reason to be too concerned (or is it??)

[chop duster]

Noelm,
I think Hamish sums it up pretty well with his last post. I am 100% happy with my rig (out of the water at the moment, making some modifications).
How about you sit back have a laugh and take it as it is, being a bit of fun

[Noelm]

I was having a bit if fun, other wise I would be telling you how bad the whole thing is,sometimes the written word does not truely convey the authors thoughts, I would happily own a 4 stroke (I have in the past)

[chop duster]

Sorry Noelm, I know what you mean.
Just trying to poke fun, at a few people on this board, who feel they have to rat on about how good their outboard is every bloomen minute of the day, for what i see, is their way of making themselves feel as though they made the right decision.

[BM]

Such an entire load of codswhallop :(

I must say I do enjoy these arguments to some degree since each person typically has a vested interest in their comments.

I don't sell any new outboards and I don't personally presently own a 4 stroke outboard or a DI outboard.

I would buy either technology engine depending on the application it was required for.

I will admit that I tend to lean more towards the 2 strokes for simplicity and weight.

One thing that I find most interesting is that in recent years we have seen a major shift in the attitude of boat owners. Not so long ago boating was about precisely that, boating. People weren't consumed with the costs involved like they are today. A hobby by my definition is an activity you really enjoy doing and cost (within reason) is not a consideration.

I have mentioned this in the past and been branded an elitist (those who know me, know that I am certainly not) but it is a remarkable shift of attitude that has occured.

I still think today the same as I have always and that is simply that boating is expensive and its classed as a luxury industry (amoung the first to suffer in economic hard times). To me a leisure activity is something I do because I enjoy it and whilst there needs to be some logic applied to the cost of the "hobby" cost should not be a major factor.

For example, each decent crash of my model helicopter costs around $100 in repair items. The fuel for it is around $10 per litre. If I became concerned over costs then I would consider it no longer a hobby I enjoy and I would sell it.

Similarly, with boating, if cost was a major factor then one should perhaps wonder if they can actually afford their chosen hobby? Furthermore I guess, if the boat has been financed then that creates further cost and affordability issues. I must admit, finance for a boat? No thankyou.... What I can't buy with cash I cannot afford.

Of those who are heavily concerned with their fuel usage, are you as equally concerned about how much you spent on bait or ice? or how much a spool of 20lb mono or braid costs you?

We all have things that we are happy to splurge on and things we scrimp on. Thats human nature. But if you are scrimping on all aspects of a hobby then you need to question your affordability.

Cheers

[Noelm]

I guess when you look at it as a "big picture" the fuel costs are only a very small part of Boating (but a recurring one) the cost of buying, maintaining, insuring, towing, storing/garaging, fishing tackle,bait,ice, food for a day, and probably a whole host of things I have left out, would be much more expensive than the fuel we feed our Motors with (maybe)

[manchild]

Sorry Noelm, I know what you mean.
Just trying to poke fun, at a few people on this board, who feel they have to rat on about how good their outboard is every bloomen minute of the day, for what i see, is their way of making themselves feel as though they made the right decision.
Ummm didnt you done exactly just that?I spell it out for everybody just because you own xyz motor that doesnt mean that every other brand is crap.I never boasted about my e-tec and i getting really sick of people putting it down.
George
ps:i would own a 4st happily so dont even try

[chop duster]

the only difference is that i am taking the piss! and not getting all hot under the collar over such a petty issue.
I stand by what I said
'their way of making themselves feel as though they made the right decision'

[manchild]

If that gives you your kick than wery well,just keep it mind that your pisstaking are hurts genuine owners .Also i have seen plenty of toyota owners who were dead set wankers ,its doesnt make toyota a bad vehicle or all toyota owners a f$%kass.
George

[suzygs1000]

To get back to the original question:

They don't use too many two stroke engines in cars or trucks (excepting the GM Diesels).

They don't run too many of them in propellor driven planes.

They stopped running them in the motorcycle Grand Prix.

Realistically, I can't really see how they can survive on boats.

Dave.

[Outsider1]

To get back to the original question:

They don't use too many two stroke engines in cars or trucks (excepting the GM Diesels).

They don't run too many of them in propellor driven planes.

They stopped running them in the motorcycle Grand Prix.

Realistically, I can't really see how they can survive on boats.

Dave.

The 2 stroke engine was invented in 1880 and popularised by Ole Evinrude in the early 1900's. They have been around for a hundred years and most of your above statements have always been the case, so why would it make any difference now??!.

Did you know there are also 1 stroke and 6 stroke engines""!!;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke_cycle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-stroke_cycle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_stroke_engine

Cheers

Dave

[Gary Fooks]

DI 2 strokes are here to stay.

You know the E-TEC story and its success. BRP is phasing out Johnson

The Boss of Mercury recently announced a revamp of Optimax to meet the tougher USA EPA 2009 standards.

And maybe one other company is coming out with some all new DI 2 strokes.

At the moment onlt E-tec and 4 strokes woudl pass the USA 2009 standards - so you can bet that we will see more investment in DI. Its too big a segment to leave it to BRP alone.

Gary

[Last Cast]

Just an observation, but if you look at what happened in the video market Betamax was better than Vhs & we all know which one survived. Lets hope the DI Motors dont go the same way we all need the competition to keep everyone on their game & top quality motors coming, 4 or 2 stroke.
Footnote : I really hope I've made the right decision because for me it will be the difference between Boating or not, it might also be why some people get a little touchy :)
Love the opinions though

[lampuki]

hahaha......Its not a serious question, so it doesnt really deserve a serious answer, but I just cant resist, well done chop duster!!! If 2DI's continue to be better than 4 bangers, than no, they wont dissapear. Ive owned both types, and my 2DIs is sweet, pisses all over my old 4e, a lot better perf on the same hull. Im not sure what all the 2DI bashing is all about really, seem like a bunch of insecurity. At the end of the day its an engine!

[Jabba_]

Just an observation, but if you look at what happened in the video market Betamax was better than Vhs & we all know which one survived. Lets hope the DI Motors dont go the same way we all need the competition to keep everyone on their game & top quality motors coming, 4 or 2 stroke.
Footnote : I really hope I've made the right decision because for me it will be the difference between Boating or not, it might also be why some people get a little touchy :)
Love the opinions though

The Beta was destined for failure after the Porno industry (Producers) signed a deal with VHS to market all the porn movies on VHS.....

There is no way in hell is the 2st going to disappear..... BRP have now introduced E-tec to Ski-Doo, and are having huge success with them... Again the light on fuel and oil, and cheaper to service and they go like the clappers