75 etec the only option!!

[sjp2]

suzuki and yamaha both have a lightweight 70 coming soon supposedly,but this waiting game is getting a bit long ,the 75 etec is the right weight for the boat at 135 kgs compared to the present suzuki 70 that weighs 165kgs ,are they really as bad as some of you make out ,at the moment i have a 60 f/stroke yamaha which i cant fault but just need a little bit more ::)

[Noelm]

forget all the anti etec brigade, they are as good a Motor as the one you have, just go for it.

[PWCDad]

The Yamaha 80 4 stroke is around the weight of the Suzi 70 .... (170kg) 33% increase in power from current 60 motor to an 80 4 Stroke. 60 kg heavier though !

The etec sure is light for the power ....

PWCDad

[cod muncher]

mate i'v had a 75 for over 2 years now, had one little prob at the start,that got sorted since then can't fault it ,one of the better motors i'v owned, forget the crap all those four chokers speak,their as good as anything out there.dont forget when you buy an etec you get free membership to the church of scientology .....hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[Noelm]

I just had a bit of a browse on a US site and read about a recent Boatshow over there, no one mentioned any lightweight new models! mind you the Americans would probably consider a 70 to 90HP Motor insignificant, if it is not 200HP plus, who cares?

[FNQCairns]

So what are they taking away to make a lighter outboard with the same HP?? are we going to see 6500k (or more) WOT specs to preserve torque so that the engine can keep up?

I looked into purchasing a yam 4st 15hp but as luck would have it they had lightened it up with a new engine, the specs said it is now a smaller capacity engine - thats not good or great, there is still no subsitute for cubic capacity.

It might work and there arte lots of guneapigs out there but I am not one - will be purchasing a well tested secondhand one.

Think you will be happy with the e-tec after all it's just an engine, the hull is what makes a good boat great.

cheers fnq

[Smithy]

The 60 is obviously bugging you. You are talking yourself into doing the change so why not. What did they rate that Mclay to? The E-Tec 90 is the same weight as the 75. Who has Evinrude now on the bay? Would you be happy with them as the dealer? Those sorts of questions are the main things to consider these days.

[Coontakinta]

Why not look at the Tohatsu DI if ya worried about weight and the etec?

[notsa]

E-tec great motor if you want a light 4st get the Honda 75 .

[Ringoscar]

New 70/80/90hp series Suzuki released at Miami is apparently only about 10kg or less lighter than previous model, according to my sources. That might make the 90 lightest in its class but still means a comparatively heavy detuned 70hp. Should be an excellent engine, though.
There remains a vacuum in that lightweight over-60hp class that no four-stroke has yet filled. New Honda BF 75/90 is still over 160kg, shedding only a few kilos off the old carbed versions.
Merc seem to be happy with their Verado mid-upper range and are simply refining their mid-range models.
That leaves the possible new Yam 70 as the only four-stroke able to fill the void - if the Yam techs can tweak the F60/50 to get another 10 ponies. Might be a tough ask if the other outfits have given up or aren't bothering but I guess if anyone can, it's them.
So it's two-stroke. The TLDI Tohatsu MD 70/90 and E-Tec 75/90 both weigh a tad over 145kg rigged on the transom.
If you're after bang for your buck in terms of power to weight, nothing still comes close to the carbed two-strokes. Yamaha's 90AETOL is around 123kg, the 70BETOL a spritely 105kg. The Tohatsu M90 is 135kg and the M70 113kg. They might be thirsty and leave a greenhouse footprint Sasquatch might be jealous of, but them's your choices. Purchase and service costs are way down but so is resale.
It's important to note that in the overall scheme of things, this power class market represents only small beer to all the engine manufacturers so they're not hell-bent on spending up big on R&D.
The good news is that all these engines are excellent performers, reliable and well designed and built. Each will have their proponents, pimps and detractors on these boards and all might have their own minor issues but there's never been a better and more difficult choice available.

[allabaster]

2 stroke and 4 strokes are a completely different kettle of fish despite brp's attempts to compare the 2.
You can save a whole heap of money by just buying a yamaha 70 oil injected 2 stroke weighing in at 105.5 kilos rather tha the etec 75's 145.
Hell the yamaha 90 2 stroke only weighs 122.5 and would probably still be cheaper than the etec.
In my opinion unless you are worried about pollution etecs are just another 2 stroke and way overpriced.

[notsa]

E-tec just another 2 st someone has had their head in the sand.

[allabaster]

E-tec just another 2 st someone has had their head in the sand.

Marketing bollocks aside they still do the same thing for much more money and weight.
Aside from polluting less they are not as good an economic choice as brp would have you believe.
They may be quoted as only needing a service after 300 hours and aparently they use less fuel but the extra $ spent on buying them buys a lot of fuel and service.
They are a great engine don't get me wrong but for smaller engine sizes i just don't believe they are worth the extra money and that much weight for a 75 2 stroke is unacceptable for the size of craft it will be attached to.

[whitingkiller]

ringoscar,

do you know what price range the 2 stroke 70BETOL'S are??
as i got a price on a 75 evinrude e-tec and it was $11k..i almost fell over!!

[Coontakinta]

i got a price on a 75 evinrude e-tec and it was $11k..i almost fell over!!

Was that fitted? When I enquired about the etecs the 90 was $11500 + fitting wich added another $1500

[allabaster]

The 90 and the 75 are the same engine with different tuning which would explain the closeness in price.
The yamaha 70 and 60 2 stroke are as well.
Last i looked a yammie 70 was around 7k depending upon where you ask.
All these things must go into ones value/benefit equation.

[whitingkiller]

cootakinta,

actually it was $11500 fitted but was going to give me $500 on trade

[Reel Blue]

In yesterdays paper 'Bribie Boats' have advertsied the 60 etec at $8700 the 75 Etec at $10260, the 90 Etec at $11000 and the 115etec at $13260. (Fitting not included)

[sjp2]

all comes down to change over ,and looks like it will cost me at least $5000 to get the etec
the 70 yam 2 st can be done a lot cheaper
nah i,ll just stick to what ive got and in the near future change the whole rig ,maybe even go fibreglass
thanks ringo for the motor options
hey Smithy how the new bussiness going ,the stabi up to its reputation

[Smithy]

To save re-typing.

Business wise.

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=125258

Boat wise.

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=124985&page=2