Repowering a Cruise Craft Outsider 580

[Outsider1]

Hi All,

I have a 1993 Outsider 580 powered by a '93 150 (Carby) Johnson. The motor only has about 400 hours on it but as the boat is moored in the water (it is antifouled) it has always been exposed to the elements etc.

The boat and motor are currently out of the water for servicing. The Trim and Tilt will need replacing as it is on the way out (this will be the 2nd one replaced in 10 years, the price of having it moored I guess!?). Given I will need to spend a bit on repairs on the existing motor plus service costs (not yet completed), I am contemplating repowering the boat with a new motor. The boat is being (and always is) serviced by Wynnum Marine and they are Yamaha and Evinrude agents so my basic choices are;

Yamaha - Carby 150
Yamaha - HPDI 150
Yamaha - 4S 150
Evinrude - E-Tec 150

From this list I have decided that if I am going to repower then it should be modern technology and I have therefore shortlisted the Yammy 4S and the E-Tec. The E-Tec is about 15% cheaper but price is not my sole determining factor.

I have only got prices, brochures and asked some basic questions so far. After reviewing the info last night I have put together the following questions;

- What is the standard prop and what optional props are available and what do you recommend?
- What is the cost of 2S oil for the E-Tec?
- What is the recommended impeller servicing cycle?
- What are the flushing method(s) for the motors)?
- What are optional extras for each motor?
- What is the (wet) weight of the motor?

As the boat is moored and antifouled is has to be pulled out of the water every 12 to 18 months as a matter of course, so the arguments around the 300 hour service cycle of the E-Tec are probably not relevant.

My main issue/concern is around the weight of the new motors. The old Johnson weighs 170kg, the E-Tec is quoted at 190kg, and the Yamaha 4S is 220kg according to the brochure. That seems to me to be a fair difference and whilst I think the hull can handle it, the difference could be enough to upset the balance etc.

My other issues are around general reliability, on water maintenance and corrosion/weather protection.

I have read as many threads as I can find on the E-Tec and Yamaha 4S and its seems most owners are pretty happy with each of them. I probably have a slight leaning towards the Yammy because of Yamaha's reputation but the heavier weight probably offsets that somewhat.

I did consider whether I needed another 150 hp motor (the hull is rated to 185hp) as a 130/135/140 would be potentially be a lot cheaper and the Suzuki (Johnson) 140 4S sounds like a beauty, but given the current performance levels and the fact that the hull is antifouled I decided it would be a mistake to go to a lower power option.

Would appreciate any feedback and thoughts with thanks . Does anyone already have one of these combinations ie Outsider 580/Hustler 570 hull with one of the above or another modern outboard alternative?

Cheers

Dave

[Reel Blue]

I had a Signature 600F with the 140 Susie. Great motor but was only just enough power for 850 kg boat. I think you will need more on your cruisecraft. I have the 175 etec on a HH 650 Classic and this is the same block as the 150 etec. I have done 100 hours on the motor without a single hiccup and have been very impressed with it. I have a 14.75 x 17 Viper stainless prop on the motor and the boat will pull 37 knots at WOT. The hull weighs 1300kg dry. Cruises at 22 knots at 3500rpm and consumes about 23 litres/hour at this speed. I would imagine the 150 etec would be similar with less top end speed. I used to get just under 4 litres of XD 100 oil for $57 but the stuff has gone up to $67. It may be possible to get it cheaper in bulk but I'm set to find some. Price of oil is the only drawback of the motor. However, a friend just had his 60hp 4 stroke yamaha serviced at Sundown and it cost him over $400 so we all (Four stroke services or two stroke oil) end up paying in the end. Four strokes are smoother and are quieter at idle speeds, but the etc is still pretty good; passengers still comment to me about how quiet and smooth the etec is. Interestingly, at cruising speeds and above the etec is considerably quieter than the 140 susie four stroke.

[Outsider1]

I had a Signature 600F with the 140 Susie. Great motor but was only just enough power for 850 kg boat. I think you will need more on your cruisecraft. I have the 175 etec on a HH 650 Classic and this is the same block as the 150 etec. I have done 100 hours on the motor without a single hiccup and have been very impressed with it. I have a 14.75 x 17 Viper stainless prop on the motor and the boat will pull 37 knots at WOT. The hull weighs 1300kg dry. Cruises at 22 knots at 3500rpm and consumes about 23 litres/hour at this speed. I would imagine the 150 etec would be similar with less top end speed. I used to get just under 4 litres of XD 100 oil for $57 but the stuff has gone up to $67. It may be possible to get it cheaper in bulk but I'm set to find some. Price of oil is the only drawback of the motor. However, a friend just had his 60hp 4 stroke yamaha serviced at Sundown and it cost him over $400 so we all (Four stroke services or two stroke oil) end up paying in the end. Four strokes are smoother and are quieter at idle speeds, but the etc is still pretty good; passengers still comment to me about how quiet and smooth the etec is. Interestingly, at cruising speeds and above the etec is considerably quieter than the 140 susie four stroke.

Thanks for your thoughts Reel Blue.

From an old boat review I found;

http://www.marinews.com/details.php?recordid=552&PHPSESSID=b98c2e72a913958a6b4522e462

it seems the hull weighs about 900kgs, perhaps a bit more so your comments about the Signature 600F are valuable and support my own thinking that 150hp is required.

When the hull is clean I can get about 36 knots top speed, this drops to about 30 knots when it is real dirty. It planes at about 3,000rpm and about 14 knots and cruises at about 22 knots and 4,000 rpm. I don't have accurate fuel use figures but would guess it uses about 30 litres an hour at 4,000 rpm cruise. I would like to have similar performance results from the new motor and obviously better fuel economy. Actually the thing I dislike the most about the Johnson is the 2 stroke smell, they are damn smoky beasts! and it permeates your clothes and everything as well.

I see Logan River Marine had XD 100 on sale for $59 this month if that helps. Thanks for the comments on your E-Tec's performance figures, very helpful and would be somewhat comparable to the 150 hp I am considering, as you say basically the same motor.

Cheers

Dave

[Outsider1]

After talking to a number of people I have decided to go with the E-Tec 150 for the repower. I just could not satisfy myself that the weight of the Yammy 4S would not be an issue, and everyone I spoke to swore by the E-Tecs which are 30kg lighter
and only 20kg heavier than the old Johnson.

DJ

[deadbeatloser]

good choice you will be 200% happy with e-tec,
the only time you will look back is to see how fast you are pulling away from other boats not powered by the mighty e-tec
:):):):):):):):):):)

[Outsider1]

Just got my boat back and will hopefully get a chance to take it for a run shortly. Have been just checking everything out so far, reading the manuals and doing some fine tuning. The E-Tec (150) looks great and after some adjustment on the trim collar it trims right out of the water nicely (it is on a moored boat). It is very quiet and starts instantly every time.

One thing I have stumbled across is the (brand new) motor is actually a 2007 model motor (built 01.2007) not a 2008 model as I specifically requested. I realise that an actual 2008 built motor would not yet be available, but like most makers, BRP change their models towards the end of the year (often just colour scheme and minor changes, improvements and tweaks etc). And via the Evinrude site there are actually different model numbers for the 2007 and the 2008 motors.

http://12.2.215.22/pub/default.asp?SessionId=6aa848a2bb724d3e8cec32225dc8 273e&Lang=EN

A couple of questions;

Should a 2007 model not be significantly cheaper than a 2008 model? (particularly one with a January 2007 build date). I have not yet spoken to the dealer (and have not yet paid for it either) as they were closed by the time I stumbled across the build date.

What type of hose fitting is needed to use the flushing point on the motor? A normal plastic garden fitting (which is used on my old Johnson) does not seem to have quite the right thread to screw on and I don't want to force it. Do I need to buy a specific hose fitting??

I believe that I may be able to connect my NMEA compatible GPS (I have 2) to the ETEC engine management system. I assume I need an NMEA cable to do so? I have notice a couple of ETEC owners post GPS screen shots of E-TEC motor readouts here. Is this possible? I did ask the dealer but they were very vague in their reply (you may or may not be able to do that??)

Would be grateful for any comments or thoughts.

Cheers

DJ

[Taroona]

Hi Outsider1,

I picked up my 150 etec from liesure marine a week or so back. The hose fitting I got from mitre 10 cleveland, it's a 3/4inch water pipe thread male and click on. NMEA output is NMEA2000, so you will need a chartplotter/GPS which is NMEA2000 compatible not NMEA0183 as almost all of the older ones are.

My chart plotter is a Navman which I bought because it has a fuel interface. So now with the 2008 I-Command gauges I will be usinig the chart plotter only as a chart plotter now.

[Outsider1]

Hi Taroona,

that's very helpful, many thanks.

I would be very interested to know the build date on your 150.

Mine has the Commander Tachometer and related gauges, but I am almost sure they are not the 2008 I-Command gauges you refer to ( I can't seem to find pictures of the 2008 I-Command system to check). This was the reason for me requesting the motor to be a 2008 model.

I have 2 GPS on the boat. An old Hummingbird NS10 which is NMEAS 0183 only and a new Lowrance 334i GPS/Sounder which is NMEA 2000 compatible.


Cheers

DJ

[disorderly]

One thing I have stumbled across is the (brand new) motor is actually a 2007 model motor (built 01.2007) not a 2008 model as I specifically requested. I realise that an actual 2008 built motor would not yet be available, but like most makers, BRP change their models towards the end of the year (often just colour scheme and minor changes, improvements and tweaks etc). And via the Evinrude site there are actually different model numbers for the 2007 and the 2008 motors.


Cheers

DJ

mate I got the dealer to knock some money off for an E-tec (90hp)which was plated in the previous year.
You could try,but I wouldn't expect it being still early january.
I really cant see it affecting resale anyway.
The hours and history of these motors is logged into their internal computers so that and the general appearance will mean far more if you ever want to sell it IMO.
I also just use standard muffs to flush mine.

Scott

[Outsider1]

Thanks Disorderly,

My boat is moored, so using muffs is unfortunately not an option. I just did a fresh water reverse flush on my old Johnson (not running) and it seemed to work well.

The issue I have with the year model , and I am now starting to realise the implications of, is that I asked for a 2008 model with the I-Command gauges; I have been given a 2007 model with the old Commander gauges. That is very disappointing. I did not haggle about price with them so I am not sure why they have short changed me on what I requested?? I was pretty clear with my order I thought, and was prepared to wait for the motor if I had to.

On the resale basis, the motor is 12 months old and that will have some impact, regardless of hours etc, particularly as it does not have the new instruments.

I managed to get out for a quick run this afternoon. Very quiet and plenty of power, acceleration was good. Will probably need to play around with the throttle friction control a bit more though as it seems to be stiff to use. The boat seemed to handle better than with the old motor, but I have also changed to hydraulic steering so that might the reason for the better feel. I will be interested to see how it feels as I get used to it.

I have not gone for a WOT run yet as it only has 2 hours up and conditions were not the best. I had the motor trimmed in pretty well to keep the bow down into the sea. It seems to be a very "wet" motor, it threw up a lot of spray back into the engine well and over the motor. I noticed the cowling was very wet when the boat was delivered (by sea) also. I will need to keep an eye on that and what water makes it under the cowling. I have ordered an outboard cover which will hopefully help!?

Do most apply lanoline spray to their motors these days? I found I had to on the old Johnson or plugs etc tended to get bit rusty and stain etc.

DJ

[marco]

- What is the standard prop and what optional props are available and what do you recommend?
- What is the cost of 2S oil for the E-Tec?
- What is the recommended impeller servicing cycle?
- What are the flushing method(s) for the motors)?
- What are optional extras for each motor?
- What is the (wet) weight of the motor?



ok to give you some info i have learnt , the std prop fitted to the etec 150 on a 575 outsider has been the sst 14 by 17p .

i did some testing on a mates boat outsider 575 with the prop of my etec 175 which is a rebel 15 3/4 by 15p and fuel and top end is the same with a big improvement in boat handling and performance around the 2500 to 4000 rpm range , so consider that prop for yours , that was supplied by wynnum marine . there is also the viper range of props supplied by evinrude as well .

the etec 150 performs really well on the 575 and i have been on a 625 outsider fitted with a yamaha 150 2stk with a 15p prop and this performed real good , low top end but great fuel economy with top performance in the mid range .

the cost of oil if you run the evinrude 100 series oil is 267 for a 20lt from wynnum marine with your discount that you would get with buying a engine , oil consumption varies from 300:1 at idle to 100:1 at wot so average of that = great consumption which is worth the cost of oil .


optional extras really are the gauges but have a look at the brp etec web site and while your there you will see the etec 150 ho v6 engine , i dont know if this is available in oz yet but basically the h.o means 10% more hp than stated so a easy way to over power a 150 rated hull legally .
http://www.brp.com/en/Products/Evinrude/Showroom/ProductSpecs.htm?productID=ETEC150HO


engine weight etc :

E-TEC 150 | V6 - Specifications

PDF version (http://www.brp.com/NR/rdonlyres/3A1F5554-8622-4690-931F-576F8067E13C/0/SPEC_ETEC150.pdf)
Get Acrobat Reader (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html)
Engine: Loop Charged V6 60° E-TEC Direct Injection
Bore in: 3.600 in / 91 mm
Stroke in: 2.558 in / 66 mm
Displacement cu / cc: 158 cu / 2589 cc
Starting: Electric
Trim Method: FasTrakTM Power Trim and Tilt
Proshaft HP (kilowatts): 150 HP (112 kw) @ 5250 RPM
Full Throttle Operating Range: 4850-5850
Gear Ratio: 1.86:1 - 1.85:1
Fuel Induction: E-TEC Direct Fuel Injection with stratified low RPM combustion mode
Alternator: Variable Voltage Computer Controlled 133 Amp* / 1800 watt output with Regulator
Cooling: Pressure and Temperature Controlled Water Cooled
Steering: Remote
Limited Warranty: 3 Years Non-Declining
Compliance: EPA 2006 / CARB 3 STAR / European Union 2006
Colors: Blue / White
Length: 20 in / 508 mm or 25 in / 635 mm
Dry Weight: 419 lbs / 190 kg or 427 lbs / 194 kg





flushing is by either ear muffs or as explained earlier with a male threaded hose connector and doing that method you dont have to run the engine unless you like too piss the neighbors off lol .


impeller service is a strange one , the salesman at wynnum marine sold me on the engine with the 3 year service blurb but yet after delivery the machanics out back of the shop insist 12 months . so at the boat show i bailed up the etec rep and gave them a serve and he was absolutelycertain 3 years is fine considering the quality of the impeller and the gearbox oil . time will tell .

also shop your prices at logan river marine as well , they seem to do great deals as well .

[Taroona]

Hi Taroona,

that's very helpful, many thanks.

I would be very interested to know the build date on your 150.

Mine has the Commander Tachometer and related gauges, but I am almost sure they are not the 2008 I-Command gauges you refer to ( I can't seem to find pictures of the 2008 I-Command system to check). This was the reason for me requesting the motor to be a 2008 model.

I have 2 GPS on the boat. An old Hummingbird NS10 which is NMEAS 0183 only and a new Lowrance 334i GPS/Sounder which is NMEA 2000 compatible.


Cheers

DJ

If you google "I-command gauges' you will find a lot of information on the gauges.

If your Lowrance plotter is NMEA2000 compliant then CAN buss should be able to be connected to it providing you have the correct type of connecters. Once again this information is available via the google search above.

My 150 has a build date of 5/2007 and came with two sets of large I-COMMAND gauges which is standard with the 2008 models

[Nofishtoobig]

Hi outsider 1

I see you followed the same path as me in power options for my cruisie, i was so keen an a yammie and then the etec then back to a yammi, after pricing a yammi then hearing the on going problems etecs are having, which they have probably sorted by now, i opted for a suzuki 2007 140 4 model, yeah price certainly came into it for me, but am glad of the huge price difference to date as the performance is great and the 5 yr waranty is piece of mind. I have only run up about 10 hrs thus far, very happy. I know it sounds biased but its a hell of alot of money for a new donk and to spend alot more would be very painful indeed. With fuel going up and up and up a 4 st just made more sence, and my consumption gives testament to that. have you seen yamaha's video against the etec ?? its on their web site, The Etec boys have done a great media hype to convince alot of punters, that said still think any new donk of a rep brand is going to be a winner and i think 7 out of 10 buyers are price consious.

My rig is 18'6 with a criuse at 4000rpm around 25 to 27 mile, wot is 40 + running a 3 x 14 x 19 inch pich prop.

Just idea's mate probably opening a can of worms sorry.

[Outsider1]

If you google "I-command gauges' you will find a lot of information on the gauges.

If your Lowrance plotter is NMEA2000 compliant then CAN buss should be able to be connected to it providing you have the correct type of connecters. Once again this information is available via the google search above.

My 150 has a build date of 5/2007 and came with two sets of large I-COMMAND gauges which is standard with the 2008 models

Many thanks Taroona,

you are a champion! I did the google last night and found some pages. They have given me only one large Command type gauge (the Tacho). The speedo is analogue only. The gauges I have a different to those I can find on the google search, I presume because they are the old model gauges!? I have been given speedo, tacho, trim, and volt gauges. They used my old temp gauge which is fine. I do not have a fuel gauge anymore?? (why would they remove one that was alread there??), and cannot see how the Command gauges is in anyway going to replace that.

Will go see them today and see what they have to say.

Cheers
DJ

[Outsider1]

Hi outsider 1

I see you followed the same path as me in power options for my cruisie, i was so keen an a yammie and then the etec then back to a yammi, after pricing a yammi then hearing the on going problems etecs are having, which they have probably sorted by now, i opted for a suzuki 2007 140 4 model, yeah price certainly came into it for me, but am glad of the huge price difference to date as the performance is great and the 5 yr waranty is piece of mind. I have only run up about 10 hrs thus far, very happy. I know it sounds biased but its a hell of alot of money for a new donk and to spend alot more would be very painful indeed. With fuel going up and up and up a 4 st just made more sence, and my consumption gives testament to that. have you seen yamaha's video against the etec ?? its on their web site, The Etec boys have done a great media hype to convince alot of punters, that said still think any new donk of a rep brand is going to be a winner and i think 7 out of 10 buyers are price consious.

My rig is 18'6 with a criuse at 4000rpm around 25 to 27 mile, wot is 40 + running a 3 x 14 x 19 inch pich prop.

Just idea's mate probably opening a can of worms sorry.

Hi NFTB,

thanks for that info. I did actually seriously consider the Suzi 140 as I had heard many good things about it, but could not satisify myself that it would have enough power (my hull being antifouled etc) and it weighed the same as the E-TEC 150. I was also tied to the dealer I was using who are Yammie/BRP agents. The Johnson 140 4st is actually the same motor so it was an option, but strangely the dealer never even mentioned?? Perhaps the rebates are higher on E-TECs??

Cheers

DJ

[PADDLES]

i think the johnson/suzuki friendship is all over now dj, (maybe with the exception of old stock that needs to go). that's possibly why your dealer didn't try to sell you one

[Nofishtoobig]

Yeh sorry i didn't read the entire thread , doh! if i would have i would of realised that you had already made your purchase. As i said buying rep a brand i think is the go and all are winners , as paddles said johnson / suzuki no longer exist the last i think the last was the 2006 model , but 2007 are suzuki soley and a diffient engine in many ways.

[Outsider1]

No problem NFTB,

all grist for the mill and helpful (and appreciated) in the overall picture.

Did not know that about the Johno/Suzy link and the 140hp.

DJ

[marco]

Yeh sorry i didn't read the entire thread , doh! if i would have i would of realised that you had already made your purchase. As i said buying rep a brand i think is the go and all are winners , as paddles said johnson / suzuki no longer exist the last i think the last was the 2006 model , but 2007 are suzuki soley and a diffient engine in many ways.


yea same here , didnt reliase you had already brought it , sorry for waffling on .

[Taroona]

Hi again, below is a link that will give you some information on the I-command gauges

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000893.html


Les

[Taroona]

Hi again, I found the link I was looking for which will give you a lot more information



http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000977.html

Les

[Outsider1]

Hi again, I found the link I was looking for which will give you a lot more information



http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000977.html

Les

Many thanks again for those links Les. Would be very interested to know what I-Command gauges your 150 E-Tec was supplied with?

The dealer has agreed to replace the motor they supplied with an actual 2008 model. They were very good about it, hats off to them for their professionalism and service focus.

The new motor has been ordered and I am now waiting delivery and fitting.

The new motor will come with the the new I-Command gauges. They tell me I will have less gauges than at present, but did not say which ones would go? or whether they were optional (at extra cost) if you still wanted them. I know the I-Command digital system provides at lot of the engine monitoring information via the digital displays.

The fuel gauge was deleted on the original install they did for me because the old I-Command system provided a % full read out for the tank via the original tank sender. From the brochure available online it seems that the new I-Command system also provides digital readouts for water temp as well. And there are digital displays in both the Tachometer and Speedometer which will show multiple digital readouts simultaneously, which would be a significant improvement on the old system where you have to scroll through each reading individually.

Just trying to understand what I should get as a standard set of gauges and whether I need to order any optional extras? The brochure I have is the overseas version, so not sure what is provided in Oz, I assume the same!?

This is the link to the I-Command page and brochure I found online on the Evinrude site. The 2nd link is a large PDF file for the brochure (+2Mb) not recommended if you are on dial up.

http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/Accessories/Product.htm?product=iCommandClassic&category=Gauges

http://www.evinrude.com/NR/rdonlyres/FC564B83-3D2E-4874-9151-D2A38CDA7344/0/BOM_60497_GaugesBro_7_web.pdf

Cheers

Dave

[Taroona]

hi Dave,

I received two of the large gauges both in digital format, there was a memory device, GPS antenna, low oil sender, analouge to digital for the fuel tank and the loom to the EMM.

I usally have displayed a split gauge showing revs and speed on one and on the other I have displayed fuel information i.e. usage and such like. In addition on the second gauge I have a pop up (10seconds) of the trim which displays the trim as a % of 100%.

The GPS and memory unit that comes with it used to do the fuel calculations and for displaying speed.

If you want water temp then you would need to purchase the unit that is used for this function.

Hope this information helps

Les

[Outsider1]

Many thanks again Les, you are a real champ!

Sounds like you have got the full digital instruments. The 2007 motor they fitted had the I-Command Classic gauges, which are analogue with a digital display in the bottom of the Tacho. See first picture below.

I assume the 2008 motors come standard with the new Classic analogue gauges (see 2nd picture below) and you need to order and pay extra if you want the digital ones!?

I will go and see the dealer on Tuesday to try and sort the gauges options out.

Cheers

Dave

[Outsider1]

..........I assume the 2008 motors come standard with the new Classic analogue gauges (see 2nd picture below) and you need to order and pay extra if you want the digital ones!? ........................

Cheers

Dave

Hmmm, maybe I am wrong!?

http://forums.hotribs.com/showthread.php?p=1944

................Evinrude I-Command(T) Digital Instruments, designed to the NMEA (National Marine Electronics Association) 2000 certification level, will be standard on Evinrude E-TEC outboard engines 115 hp and above in markets outside Canada and the USA.................

Dave

[Taroona]

Hmmm, maybe I am wrong!?

http://forums.hotribs.com/showthread.php?p=1944

................Evinrude I-Command(T) Digital Instruments, designed to the NMEA (National Marine Electronics Association) 2000 certification level, will be standard on Evinrude E-TEC outboard engines 115 hp and above in markets outside Canada and the USA.................

Dave


Dave, my understanding is that all 2008 motors came with the digital gauges as standard. This was impressed upon me by two dealers I spoke to at the time of negotiating a deal. Then when I went to the dealer I asked to look at the gauges I was getting to be sure there would not be a problem at hand over the mechanic toook the gauges box out of the main outboard box. So it was quite apparent that the digital guages were standard. Not the combination of analouge and digital as per your photo

Les

[Taroona]

Dave if you PM your email address I have a PDF file that shows the layout of the instruments that were supplied

Les

[tin can marlin]

Hi mate i just got a yamaha 4 stroke on my boat and all i can say to you is do you drive a car made in japan or mexico because that is were the etec is made. Put all the hype aside go to boat ramps like i also did and ask people with 4 strokes how many hours they have done some have done thousands find an etec that has done thousands good luck. There is none yet because they have not had to stand the test of time tell me one model that yamaha have got that is classed as lemon the etec is not classed as a lemon yet we will only know over the next few years weather they are or not. Either way good luck with your new motor. Regards mark

[Outsider1]

Dave if you PM your email address I have a PDF file that shows the layout of the instruments that were supplied

Les


Many thanks Les,

I have sent you an e-mail.

Hi TCM,

you guys are persistent that's for sure. I enjoy a lot of the banter between the 4s and the E-Tec guys but geez it makes it hard to actually find any info in thread searches! Page after page of banter just gets wearing after a while.

And for the record, I carefully assessed both the Yamaha and the E-Tec and for a short while also considered the Suzuki 140. But it came down to a simple difference of about 40kg in weight. Those 4s sure are tubby so and so's

Cheers

Dave

[Outsider1]

Hi mate i just got a yamaha 4 stroke on my boat and all i can say to you is do you drive a car made in japan or mexico because that is were the etec is made...............

Nah, the car I drive was made in Affalterbach, Germany. I tend to appreciate fine engineering and technology, but I also like soul in my conveyances.

Cheers

Dave

[tin can marlin]

Mte also don't forget that it cost around $80 for there oil it must have gold somewere in there bottle.

[Outsider1]

TCM,

you are just being a nuisance now. I am not going to respond to anymore of your baiting, go play in the 4s vs E-Tec threads and stop glugging up the serious ones.

Cheers

Dave

[deadbeatloser]

Mte also don't forget that it cost around $80 for there oil it must have gold somewere in there bottle.

if i had you coming into my shop talkn mexican :chinese:i would charge you double as well.:stupid:
stop dribbling on about mexico if you are f@#$%king home sick:vrolijk_26::vrolijk_26: ,
get on your chilli a go go cart and get a cactus up ya TCM.:wut:


rums DBL:-/

[Argle]

tell me one model that yamaha have got that is classed as lemon the etec is not classed as a lemon yet we will only know over the next few years weather they are or not. Either way good luck with your new motor. Regards mark

I would think the Yamaha HPDI 250 would come into that catagory:-X :-X

[Explorer570]

Great thread guys.

I am in a similar situation. I presently own a Cruise Craft 570 Explorer (Cira 1982) with the original 150hp Mariner (2.0ltr V6) carby premix two stroke - 20"long shaft.

The motor is going great (have put about 50hrs on it since purchasing in mid 2007), but I am hesitant to do some long trips offshore due to the inherent TIME BOMB factor of a 25yr old outboard.

It presently pulls 38knots (GPS) at WOT with three guys and fishing gear so I am not chasing any more HP. The hull is rated to 175hp which would be overkill, but I don't want to turn it into a slug by under powering. Honestly normally travel at about 25knots around Moreton Bay, only ever crack 30+knots when the bay is glassed out.

My question is will the Suzuki 140hp 4 stroke be equivalent to the current power??? The Etec150 would be my first choice but it is significantly more expensive, and theoretically will only give a high top speed - which I am not chasing.

I have been burnt by 4strokes before with a Honda 30 on a tinny. It never had the grunt out of the hole as an equivalent 2-stroke.

Any real life experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Sam

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My question is will the Suzuki 140hp 4 stroke be equivalent to the current power??? The Etec150 would be my first choice but it is significantly more expensive, and theoretically will only give a high top speed - which I am not chasing.


Cheers,

Sam

As far as I can tell the 140 suzi is little more than an uprated 115.
This may also explain why it appears to be cheap.
Not to say it isnt a great motor,just that it doesn't come close to a 150 performance wise.(of any brand including suzuki)
I think it is a great marketing ploy by suzuki as I constantly read about people who are looking at 150hp motors and then get a price on the suzi 140 hp and say "wow almost the same horsepower but oh so cheap".
To compare apples with apples you must compare engines of the same hp or risk underpowering your vessel ,which truly sucks.

As for your comment on top end speed being better on the E-Tec.
I would wager that the torque of any DI 2 stroke will be better than that of the 4 strokes.It might also pay to compare weights as they can vary considerably.

4 stroke ...2 stroke DI... different motors,but really either will give you the confidence to get out wide and enjoy the fishing.
Just buy the one you get the best feeling about and you will be happyhttp://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif.

Scott

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My question is will the Suzuki 140hp 4 stroke be equivalent to the current power???



no it wont be , you will find it still a bit sluggish on the hole shot but once going it is a great engine , good torque when on the plane for a boat of your size .

there is a big difference in performance between the suzuki 140 and the etec 150 . mostly on the hole shot