Guide spacings & sizes for spin stick

[roz]

I would normally just go ahead and run these guide spacings, but want a second opinion...just incase.

The blank is Hastings Pioneer 6'6" or about 1.9 metres medium to fast taper. Building it as a spin outfit.

Here is what I am considering.

Tip size 6
10.5 cm

1. size 6
11 cm

2. size 10
12cm

3. size 12
13cm

4. size 16
19cm

5. size 25
28.5 cm

6. size 30

I need to order special guides for this rod, would like an opinion or five on the size of guides I've considered before I place the order.

Much appreciated.

roz.

[BenatCoffs]

Size 6 tip guides I'll assume it's a light stick?

If in the 1-4kg range I'd go 25 16 10 6 6 6 6 then 6 tip
If heavier say to 10kg then 30 20 10 8 8 8 8 then 8 tip

You aren't a fan of 'new guide concept'?

[roz]

Size 6 tip guides I'll assume it's a light stick?

If in the 1-4kg range I'd go 25 16 10 6 6 6 6 then 6 tip
If heavier say to 10kg then 30 20 10 8 8 8 8 then 8 tip

You aren't a fan of 'new guide concept'?

Thanks for your response Ben,

Sorry didn't mention it is a 10 -15kg rod.

Hence the 30,25 & 16. They were the guide sizes that interested me. Would changing the 16 to a 10 or 12 have a bearing on anything?.

I can also see the benefit of changing the size 6 to 8s, I am going to have to buy more of these so I may as well get more eights, no point in trying to 'make do' with what I have available.

One of the reasons for this post was for all see what's good in guide placements, and where I could be going wrong...or right perhaps, don't see the point in just posting off a PM to one of the rod builders just for my benefit and not sharing the info.

Also Ben, what is the "new guide concept", I often use the calculation tables from my Dale P. Clemens new advanced custom rod building for placements but often 'wing it' with guide sizes, I think I should be doing better there.

much appreciated.

roz.

[ryansrods]

ide go 8 8 10 12 16 20 30

[DR]

Hi Roz, just personal preference & old fashioned as i haven't fished with a rod built on the 'new concept' idea. I have a couple & think the guides are too small for Aussie style fishing.
being a heavy rod I would use a #10 tip, #10, #12, #16, #20, #25, #30
nothing worse than getting a rod finished & then find out that your leader knots start catching on small guides..
cheers
Dave

[nigelr]

http://www.rodbuilding.org/library/newguide.html

http://www.fujitackle.com.au/
Go into education, then new guide concept

http://www.rodbuilding.org/search.php?2,search=27+times,page=1,match_type=ALL ,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL

Tom Kirkmans' take on setting the position of the choker guide is calculating 27 x the diameter of the spool, measuring this distance from the spool lip, and marking this point.

I have used this method on 3 rods to date, 1 surf, 1 15kg rock, 1 light spin 3kg.
I am presently completeing a Snyder MT 7144 (made on a 're-cycled' blank;D ) atm.
I have been extremely happy with the results. I have used only BNHG (rock rod)
and BSVLG (surf) guides, none of the expensive stuff!
I used BSVLG 25 High foot guides as the strippers on the rock rod and the 7144, a straigh BSVLG 30 on the surf rod.
I used BNHG 10s on the 7144 and the 15kg rock rod, BSVLG 10s on the surf rod tho I feel I could have used 8s on this one.
Personally prob go the 10s for 15kg, but I have very little building experience, prob only made a dozen rods or so, and only for my own use.

Cheers and enjoy!

PS. - As you will see from the above links, fair bit of conjecture on the new guide concept, not to be confused with new concept guides!::)

[ryansrods]

nigelr these guides are fine if ya usin mono but if ya usin or gonna use braid go somthing abit harder alconites for example especially on ya heavier rods braid tends to cut through the rings under pressure bsvlg and bnhg are cheaper to start with but in the long run will find alconite to outperform and outlast these cheaper models

[nigelr]

True Ryan, forgot to mention, strictly mono use only for these rods. Thanks for your advice mate, will remember it if I ever step up to braid!
Cheers.

[roz]

thanks all.

This rod is not for me & at this stage I don't know what type of line will be used... I suspect both mono and braid ...at different times of course!!!

The guides I am using are ALPS XXNZG 316 stainless steel.

they are on a boat rod I built earlier in the year, they look fantastic but it's early days I know.

r.

[BenatCoffs]

Roz, depending on which ring type you are going for you may even want to look to 10's for the tip as the internal diameter of rings is not standard, the size is based on the external diameter of the ring (eg the id of alconite BYAG10 is 7.2mm is different to the id of hardloy BLVLG10 at 6.88mm)

New Guide Concept may also be a marketing ploy - costs less to build a rod, but can charge the same (or more!) for the rod. I do all spinning rods that way though and to my own style they cast better, plus they are cheaper :P

[BenatCoffs]

XXNZG in my catalogue only go to size 25, have you got a source for the 30?

[ryansrods]

benatcoffs i noticed the same thing

[wheezer]

for a start it depends on what reel being used (spool dia.) and if braid or mono? that will determine your stripper size.

if using only braid you can use a smaller stripper and more aggressively reduce down to your choke guide

also it will depend on the line and leader strength/dia. if you use too smaller guides from the choke guide on then the leader knot may catch which will cause all kinds of problems

[roz]

XXNZG in my catalogue only go to size 25, have you got a source for the 30?

Sure do.

Acid rod in the US XXNZG30.....#30 @US$14.14

r.

[roz]

for a start it depends on what reel being used (spool dia.) and if braid or mono? that will determine your stripper size.

if using only braid you can use a smaller stripper and more aggressively reduce down to your choke guide

also it will depend on the line and leader strength/dia. if you use too smaller guides from the choke guide on then the leader knot may catch which will cause all kinds of problems

I have to have an each way bet here wheezer.

I have an idea this guy will be using both mono and braid on this rod.

r.

[finga]

What size guides you chasing Roz as I just happen to have some of those here...don't ask why I just do.
I haven't got a 30 though :(
:)

[roz]

What size guides you chasing Roz as I just happen to have some of those here...don't ask why I just do.
I haven't got a 30 though :(
:)

thanks anyway Scott, but I need more than a couple of 30s. I'm also building the pink girly rod, going for the fuji GNLGs should look great with cobia slime!!!!

r.

[grave41]

Roz ,I choke mine with fuji low rider surf giudes for the first 2 and then 10,s out 2 the tip. I did this on a graphcast 4 blank and it works sweet.
Graham