Floor Modification Layout - Haines

[Barnacle Billy]

OK Guys - Most of u knew the floor layour of my Haines before..

SOme major work now progressed and I want to show you what has been done.

Before SHot - Back to Back Seats and crammed for space BIG TIME!
After Shot - Pedestal Seats and Tonnes of ROOM!

PS - That bare area u see used to have carpet on it and around the back to back seats. All same floor - bare and carpet areas..

THanks for your help boys!

Enjoy!

[Stuart]

Good work mate, though I must say the only thing I dont like is the hatch lide in the middle of the floor. Why don tyou make one that sits flush with the floor instead.

Stu

[Barnacle Billy]

Great idea stu.

I am thinking of laying carpet over the bare area and trust the carpet thickness makes the hatch lid flush again - THoughts?

[Stuart]

Do you need the hole in the floor to begine with? If you do then I cant see carpet doing much in the way of making it level. I still think your going to be kicking your tow on that thing. If you can get the top of the hatch level with the top of the floor then it would make for a much cleaner look.

Stu

[Barnacle Billy]

OK = THanks Stu

Will try and pursue this option. Any ideas on what I can use as a hinged cover plate??

And, should I still lay carpet down?

[Barnacle Billy]

What can I use that is durable enough to withstand people's weight and lift out like this?

[Stuart]

What's the go with having it in the middle of te floor.

Stu

[Barnacle Billy]

That is the original layout circa 1989.

Just been f cking around for last hour on the floor to determine what I can use this underfloor space for - considering space is still a premimum at floor level..???

I have thought about fuel storage, junk storage, live bait tank well or fill up wiht ice and sotre food/drink and bait in it...??

What you think I should do wiht it?

PS - I will be in GOVE NT in a few weeks - so I need to cosnider fishing in the hot tropics..

[Eagle]

To make the cover as a flush fit, trim the cover to fit the opening. leave a gap to suit your needs if you intend to carpet the cover. Glass in a strip of ply at least 20mm thick that juts out about 25mm all around the opening, This strip is about 100mm wide and is fitted under the edge of the opening to leave a "shelf" all around so the cover can fit in and be flush with the floor. The strip can be screwed as well as glassed to form a strong ledge. With about 3mm gap all round between the cover and the floor, the cover will be a firm fit if covered in carpet and the carpet wraps around the edge of the cover. The cover could be hinged but I wouldn't go this route as there wouldn't be enough support along the hinge side of the cover.
To glass in the strips, lay at least two layers of CSM that are soaked in resin and clamp the strips in place under the foor. The hard part is to clean/sand the underside of the area where the strips are to be glassed. It should be easy with a 100mm grinder and a sanding disc as there apears to be lots of room to get the sander in. A small finger hole in the cover will make it easy to remove or do as I do, all solid cover and prize it up with a knife blade. No holes in the cover means no lost sinkers or swivels.
Eagle

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks Eagle.

Q1) What is meant by "trim" when you talk of the cover?
Q2) WOuld this 100mm strip/ledge be strong enough to hold a person's weight?
Q3) How do I blank off the current hinge holes/gaps that exist?
Q4) What do u use your underfloor well for?

THanks

[Stuart]

Eagle beat me to it.

Stu

[Barnacle Billy]

No-one has still told me what I should do with the underfloor well.

Would appreciate any assistance before I work on this well..

THanks

[Barnacle Billy]

Underfloor-well use?

[bay_firey]

Sme (oops) Billy
Use it for what ever your needs require.

If you are in need of a cool storage space drop in some ice and use it an esky.
If you need some dry storage use it for that.

No - one can really TELL you what to use it for, you know what your needs are better than anyone.

[newchum]

billy i have V19R haines and my underfloor fuel tank goes from the point froward of your pedistals all the way to the rear seats. 130lts in total. i know one thing that i wouldn't be putting in the well and thats flares and epirb & life jackets. just make your boat to suit your style of fishing.

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks guys.

I have been thinking of using it for fuel..

I already have an underfloor fuel tank form rear seat to start of well and thinking of adding in another tank.

Newchum - What sort of fuel tanks did u use and how did u connect them up?
Do u get to use all your fuel or does it become stale if not used ?

DOes fiberglass insulate ice well?

[Barnacle Billy]

Question - Underneath the recessed area is a whoel heap of fiberglass along length of member. Can I cut this out so I can mount soem angle iron flush onto member - to lay the floor over this recessed gap?

My concerns are loss of strength..

THanks

[Barnacle Billy]

Here are some photos of what I mean...

I want to screw aluminium angle iron into the longitudinal staunchions of boat so I can rest a cut-out floor panel on top of the angle..

Hence, I need to grind/cut out the bulging fiberglass padding seen in the attached photos..

THoughts?

[Barnacle Billy]

Can I remove that bulge underneath and still not compromise strength?

[blaze]

The short answer is no. Thats some of the worst glassing I have seen and haines should be ashame of themself. I think the answer to your problem may be to grind of the flowcoat and glass some 50 x 19mm pine along where you want the strips to support the floor section. It will be a much easier job to do with glass.
cheers
blaze

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks Blaze. Were Haines being lazy or were they re-inforcing the strength in that area?

[Barnacle Billy]

do i grind or sand off the flowcoat?

I take it that you are referring to the underside of the floor?

[blaze]

the bulge on the side looks to me to be one large section of poorly layed glass that has sagged away from the structure underneath leaving a large airpocket. To do the job right you would need to cut away all the bulging bits and then relay the glass. I am not sugesting you take that job on becassue the deeper you go into a job sometimes you find things you dont want to. What I am sugesting is you clean the flowcoat off by a light sanding and then reglass these new section of timber in using a product like qcell to elelinate any caps and help form a suitable surface to glass over.
cheers
blaze

[Mad-One]

I would go to a sheetmetal workshop and get them to fold you up some 3mm aluminium into a Z shape and screw it to the floor

Cheers Phil

[Mad-One]

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[newchum]

billy, the fuel tank i have is a single staino unit it was in the boat when i bought her . and instead of the pedistals i have an icebox under the starboard seat & a 55lt aux. tank under the port seat . most trips i will use close to 150lts . hope this doesn't throw a spanner in the works

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks boys - All great and novel ideas...

Blaze - how much mating area should be butted up against underside of floor - from your 50mm x 19mm pine? And, is this any old pine or must it be marine ply type stuff?

Mad-one - do u know anyone who has used the Z-section for this applciation and if so - successful?

[Barnacle Billy]

Newchum - I am thinkng of going down the fuel tank route.

I am suspecting I will end up with about 200mm - 250mm wide section (after lip taken into account) by 995mm long.

Would this be able to fit in a plastic tank?

Blaze - could I glass in 25mm wiht 15mm as ledge? Do u think 25mm is too less?

BB

[newchum]

billy i will lift my floor an try to pm you some photos of the tank setup . i also have a boat with twin 100lts tanks i will try and send some of these as well

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks Chum!

How narrow can u buy fuel tanks?

[blaze]

Hi Smelly
that should be ok, you could end up with enough fuel to go for a trip to china, but I dont think you can have to much fuel, plastic tanks come in a lot of different sizes
cheers
blaze

[Barnacle Billy]

Blaze - how much mating area should be butted up against underside of floor - from your 50mm x 19mm pine? And, is this any old pine or must it be marine ply type stuff?

[Roughasguts]

Billy Don't think marine ply is the best for glassing, aparently it's got to much oil which is good for painting solvent paint on (bond wood boats) but not great for glass to stick on, or soak in to.

Structual ply I think comes more recomended, for best adhesion.

[Barnacle Billy]

THanks Blaze - jsu twant to confirm - you mentioned 'pine' before for the strips..

There is pine and there is ply.

Do I use the pine for the 50x19 strips and ply for the floor cutout?

[blaze]

that will do the trick, RAGS is right about the type of ply
cheers
blaze

[Barnacle Billy]

THanks Blaze.

Just curious as to why u recommend pine over ply for the strips?

[blaze]

cheap, easier to access than 19mm ply (unless you have a piece laying round) and when encased in glass no one is the wiser, does the job
cheers
blaze

[newchum]

billy sorry my camera packed it in , i have taken some shots with my phone and emailed them to myself, will try and resize them and send them to you

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks boys.

[SO70]

the inside walls of the box is actually the stringers.
i would cut the top of the floor out flush with side of the stringer and glass from the top of the floor over the side and down the stringer.
you will end up with an open hole to drop anything into and make any sort of lid to suit

[Barnacle Billy]

Great thought SO70 - but what about a lip underneath the floor reqd to support a cover - how woudl u incorporate a lip into this idea if you are glassing edge of hole onto stringer?

[Barnacle Billy]

Do I use a Z-angle or glass in a lip - how to?

[luckyone]

i had a z section of alliminium in my floor and it woked well in the time i had the boat. so if you go to a alluminium shop you should be able to buy some and solve your problem. chears ;D ;D ;D

[Barnacle Billy]

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Mad-one.

To achieve this Z-section profile, what width should the flat be initially?

PS. I have 12mm floor ply.

Strips come in 50mm, 38mm and 25mm width.

BB

[Barnacle Billy]

How much (mm) would the bends take up with the 3mm thickness?

[Barnacle Billy]

I have acquire a 40mm strip and a 50mm strip.

WHich one to use for good strength but alsoo tidy looking and not too big?

[Barnacle Billy]

How much meat should be on each side of the Z-Section?

[Barnacle Billy]

I have 3mm flat 40mm wide and 50mm wide.

Which width do I choose?

[SO70]

if you use z section, a 50mm lip on top would be the go.
you could also make a glass/ply lid that straddles the hole like an esky lid.
you would also require a 50mm x 3-4mm lip.

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks alot SO70.

How wide should the bottom lip be?

I have to bend this today (Thursday) at work and need to know dims.

How much should be on the top part of Z-section, middle part and bottom part?

[Barnacle Billy]

AS I have the floor at 12mm ply, what thickness should the hatch floor be when using the 3mm Z0section?

[Barnacle Billy]

THoughts on above?

[SO70]

i have used 19mm ply for all the hatches i have made.
the diminsions would be 50mm top,19mm down (thickness of the ply being used), then say 25-50mm across the bottom of the ply.
the important dimension is the one sitting on top of the floor.
if you are standing on it continually, you want it so that it can handle the weight.
if 50mm looks too much, drop it back to say 40mm.
the hatch thickness doesn't have to be the same as the original floor thickness.
i use 19mm because it will be super strong.

[Barnacle Billy]

Thanks alot SO70.

I will modify my dwg to suit these dims.

The m/c shops around here are unable to bend ally as it splinters/breaks, etc.

They recommend using SS in a lighter guage - THoughts?

[Barnacle Billy]

SO70 - How thick is your main floor?

[SO70]

13mm floor
19mm hatches
3mm stainless should be plenty for for that size hole
have you cut the rest of the floor top out.

[Splash]

Hi S070.

In terms of corrosion, would SS 304 (3mm) be OK for these lips - if not, best way to treat these SS lips (304 SS) for this application?

Splash!